Marty Smiley: "The music you make, how would you describe it?"

Kirin J Callinan: "Repulsive, arrogant and obtuse. It's big and ugly, grotesque, vulgar, humiliating for all concerned none more so than myself. Deprecating and defacing. It's obnoxious. It's rude. It's pointless.

Marty: What genre would that be?

Kirin: Pop.